I think I am happy with this build, but want advice on graphics card please?

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TonyCarter

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Currently PCS prices seem a bit high for GPUs:
  • £678 for the 4070 Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £559; lowest AIB version is £540)
  • £921 for the 4070Ti Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £769;, lowest AIB version is £770)
  • £1167 for the 4080 Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £959; lowest AIB version is £950)
Of course (as I did) there is the option of sourcing your own GPU and just asking PCS to put in the cabling for whichever GPU you choose. Could mean you could get a 4070Ti Super FE for around the same price as a 4070 Super? The Nvidia FE version is usually the cheapest version available, and the AIB GPUs are a bit more, but the Nvidia FE versions are only available in small numbers from a single UK supplier (Scan).
 
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Papalazarou

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TonyCarter said:
Currently PCS prices seem a bit high for GPUs:
  • £678 for the 4070 Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £559; lowest AIB version is £540)
  • £921 for the 4070Ti Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £769;, lowest AIB version is £770)
  • £1167 for the 4080 Super (vs RRP of Nvidia FE version is £959; lowest AIB version is £950)
Of course (as I did) there is the option of sourcing your own GPU and just asking PCS to put in the cabling for whichever GPU you choose. Could mean you could get a 4070Ti Super FE for around the same price as a 4070 Super? The Nvidia FE version is usually the cheapest version available, and the AIB GPUs are a bit more, but the Nvidia FE versions are only available in small numbers from a single UK supplier (Scan).
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Thank you Tony, Amazon have the Ti Super at £778, so are you saying go for the integrated GPU from PCS and ask them to include the cables to install the 4070Ti Super myself? How easy a process is it to install? I have literally no idea when it comes to system building :LOL:
 
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Papalazarou

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Also Tony, what are your thoughts on the Overclocked GPU's, would they be worth going for if similar price? Would I see quite an improvement with the overclocking?
 
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Papalazarou said:
Thank you Tony, Amazon have the Ti Super at £778, so are you saying go for the integrated GPU from PCS and ask them to include the cables to install the 4070Ti Super myself? How easy a process is it to install? I have literally no idea when it comes to system building :LOL:
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Very easy to install, even if you have to fit the PCIe cables yourself as that case should have enough room to access the PSU easily. But it's even easier if the cables are pre-fitted (mine were, and I think PCS asked me what GPU I was fitting to check).

Other than that, it's just a matter of removing the back-plates and clicking in the GPU into the top PCIe slot and then connecting the cables form the PSU.

Just make sure the GPU will physically fit inside the case...the case (or the case manufacturers website) will tell you the max GPU length (360mm in the 4000D)...but I think a 4070Ti Super should fit no problem.

If buying on Amazon, make sure it is 'sold by Amazon' or some other known retailer (and check if that retailer has it cheaper on their own website)...do not buy it from MarketPlace...as it doesn't have the same protections.
 
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Papalazarou said:
Also Tony, what are your thoughts on the Overclocked GPU's, would they be worth going for if similar price? Would I see quite an improvement with the overclocking?
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If they're not much extra or the same price, then there's no issue, but if they are 10% more expensive then it's not worth it for the extra 3-5% more frames...and you may also be using more power!
 
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I have noticed SpyderTracks's post https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/3000-series-gpus-do-you-need-a-3080.72666/ from a few years ago, and it got me concerned, the kind of monitor I am looking at is a 1440p 144hz monitor, something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-EX341...mzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f and I am thinking if the monitor is the bottleneck is there much point me getting a 4070Ti? Then again, in modern titles I do want to have a playable experience, and getting towards 100 frames minimum if possible, so is the 4070Ti a good entry level point now, in order to get decent frames in more modern games?

Also, could I get your thoughts on whether this is still accurate please? https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/desktop-building-guide-april-2023.67892/ I notice it was last updated in April 2023, my main query is around the Which GPU part:

1440p Extreme - 3070 or 6950XT. Similar to above, the difference here is you're looking to push high refresh and you're willing to pay for it. This will be the last 30 series recommendation as I wouldn't spend any more money on the older offerings.

4k or Ultrawide - 4070Ti or 7900 XT. Exactly as previous, these cards trade blows so it comes down to the technolgy you want to have in play. I would let the current pricing make your mind up for you. Consider the vRAM of the 7900XT, given the way gaming is going nowadays, especially for 4k.

This makes it sound like a 4070Ti will allow for 4k gaming, but when I have watched benchmark videos it appears playing 4k with a 4070Ti will give barely playing frame rates, anyway, if I am going for the monitor above it wont support 4k, but I am thinking more for future proofing myself, I suppose my main query is that 1440p Extreme above recommends a 3070 card, so would I be better off going for a lower specced card now, and then looking to upgrade my GPU (as the GPU is probably the first thing someone looks to upgrade in the future) when I have a monitor capable of running games well at 4k?
 
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Papalazarou said:
I have noticed SpyderTracks's post https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/3000-series-gpus-do-you-need-a-3080.72666/ from a few years ago, and it got me concerned, the kind of monitor I am looking at is a 1440p 144hz monitor, something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-EX341...mzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f and I am thinking if the monitor is the bottleneck is there much point me getting a 4070Ti? Then again, in modern titles I do want to have a playable experience, and getting towards 100 frames minimum if possible, so is the 4070Ti a good entry level point now, in order to get decent frames in more modern games?

Also, could I get your thoughts on whether this is still accurate please? https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/desktop-building-guide-april-2023.67892/ I notice it was last updated in April 2023, my main query is around the Which GPU part:

1440p Extreme - 3070 or 6950XT. Similar to above, the difference here is you're looking to push high refresh and you're willing to pay for it. This will be the last 30 series recommendation as I wouldn't spend any more money on the older offerings.

4k or Ultrawide - 4070Ti or 7900 XT. Exactly as previous, these cards trade blows so it comes down to the technolgy you want to have in play. I would let the current pricing make your mind up for you. Consider the vRAM of the 7900XT, given the way gaming is going nowadays, especially for 4k.

This makes it sound like a 4070Ti will allow for 4k gaming, but when I have watched benchmark videos it appears playing 4k with a 4070Ti will give barely playing frame rates, anyway, if I am going for the monitor above it wont support 4k, but I am thinking more for future proofing myself, I suppose my main query is that 1440p Extreme above recommends a 3070 card, so would I be better off going for a lower specced card now, and then looking to upgrade my GPU (as the GPU is probably the first thing someone looks to upgrade in the future) when I have a monitor capable of running games well at 4k?
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So firstly, that's not a 1440p monitor, it's an ultra wide.

1440p is 2560 x 1440
Ultrawide is 3440 x 1440. It's essentially 1.35 x 1440 on the width.

Ultrawide is a far richer experience though for gaming, it's far more immersive and certainly what I would always suggest over standard aspect ratio.

A 4070ti would be suitable for an ultra wide.

You have to understand benchmarks tend to apply max settings, but you'd never configure max settings on a gaming PC as it's just needlessly reducing frame rates for no benefit. On any PC game, you'd optimise settings for best performance vs visuals, there are guides per game on the internet.

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TonyCarter

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A very simple, and very broad due to different games/gamers having different expectations, rule of thumb is (the GPU experts can let me know if I've made a mess of this):
  • Nvidia xx60/70 or AMD x600XT/x700XT for good to high 1080p
  • Nvidia xx70/80 or AMD x700XT/x800XT for good to high 1440p
  • Nvidia xx80/90 or AMD x800XT/x900XT/x900XTX for good to high 2160p
So an ultrawide 1440p would need something between the 1440p and 2160p GPU...so last year that would have meant an Nvidia 4070Ti/4080 or AMD 6800XT/6900XT.

However there have been some additional GPUs added with a little more performance, so currently it's a Nvidia 4070 Super / 4070Ti Super or AMD 6800/6900GRE - as the 4080 Super and 6900XTX are probably a waste of money for an ultrawide 1440p monitor.

Games and game engines are constantly updated, so a GPU that gave you 60FPS @ 4K 5 years ago, will be a middling offering now, so there's no point overspending now to make something 'future proof'.

There's not even the arguments about spending double to get a RTX4090, as it'll be wasted on an ultrawide 1440p build, and will require more spend on the PSU to cope with it. So you might as well save half the cash, and if you need to, upgrade the GPU in 2-3 years time to whatever resolution you're playing it. If it's 4K then go up a level. If it's 1440p then just buy the newest xx70/xx80 GPU.
 
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1 last question to you guys really, considering I am looking to play on 1440p and not 4k, would either of you suggest bringing down the spec of my machine in any of the components (CPU, motherboard etc) or would you keep it as is in the build Tony kindly suggested for me?
 
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Papalazarou said:
1 last question to you guys really, considering I am looking to play on 1440p and not 4k, would either of you suggest bringing down the spec of my machine in any of the components (CPU, motherboard etc) or would you keep it as is in the build Tony kindly suggested for me?
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I thought you were getting an ultrawide? Have you changed the monitor?
 
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No I am getting an ultrawide, sorry I get confused with the resolutions, so I'm getting that BenQ monitor I mentioned earlier.

1 thing I should say as well, I do iRacing motorsport simulations, and will be looking to get triple screens (at some point) for iRacing, for now I will be using the Ultrawide monitor and moving it between my desk (when playing normal games) and then to the rig, when I am doing iRacing, when looking to run triple screens would this still be a good GPU/setup? I see the 4070Ti Super will run up to 4 screens so it should be fine, just thought I'd mention it.
 
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Papalazarou said:
No I am getting an ultrawide, sorry I get confused with the resolutions, so I'm getting that BenQ monitor I mentioned earlier.

1 thing I should say as well, I do iRacing motorsport simulations, and will be looking to get triple screens (at some point) for iRacing, for now I will be using the Ultrawide monitor and moving it between my desk (when playing normal games) and then to the rig, when I am doing iRacing, when looking to run triple screens would this still be a good GPU/setup? I see the 4070Ti Super will run up to 4 screens so it should be fine, just thought I'd mention it.
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No, as you scale up resolution you need to increase gpu power. But there’s no gpu on the planet that could run 3 ultrawides. Even 3 x 1440p would be a push.

But you always pair the gpu to your current needs, and then upgrade the gpu when you need the extra power as by that time, newer gpus will be released with more power at a lower price plus new technologies. This is even more true at the moment with RT cores and AI cores still being so new, every new generation has a new technology.

I would suggest a super wide if that’s your intention, that’s exactly what they’re designed for, they’re 5120 x 1440 which is essentially 2 x 1440p on the horizontal, they’re perfect for SIMS

This is a good budget option, but you’d need a higher gpu to run it, 4080 Super

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Hi Spyder,

So my idea was to use the ultrawide for FPS and other games I run at my desk, and then, when I want to do sim racing, move the ultrawide to my rig, then when I eventually upgrade to triple standard 27" monitors (not ultrawide) for my sim rig, I will then only use the triple monitors on my rig when I am racing. I assume the 4070Ti Super will be able to support that?
 
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